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Sabbath Soup with Kathi Lipp

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Sabbath Soup with Kathi Lipp

Episode 143

Dr. Vickie: The main reason I wanted you to have to have you on the podcast today is because you are an expert on connection and social connectedness is such a part of lifestyle medicine and so many people struggle with loneliness.

Kathi: I’m going to be totally honest with you. It’s something that Roger, my husband, and I have struggled with up here. And we’ve had to be super intentional about it. So, even though I may be an expert on it, it means I still have to work at it.

Dr. Vickie: Well, most people who are an expert on something have had to work through it themselves, right?  But set the scene about the red house first of all. Can you just let our listeners know what it’s like to be there, to live there, and how you came up with the idea for your newest book, which is Sabbath Soup.

Kathi: So several years ago, Roger and I, we love to go to the mountains to kind of get away and to write and to work and do all of that kind of stuff. And we started praying about, could we get a little tiny cabin in the woods that for us to be able to do that? And then, as dreams often do, it got out of control the and we ended up buying the house with the intent of living in San Jose, and going coming to the mountains, Airbnbing this place, and then also doing writer’s retreat.

Well, every time we came here, we didn’t want to leave. So we eventually sold our house in San Jose and moved up here full time. only And so we have a much bigger house than we could ever use, but we’re able to use it in different ways like the retreats and we can have guests here. We’ve had people who have been in the midst of a crisis come and stay with us. So the house gets used in ways that we never imagined. And the we just feel very lucky that we get to live here

Dr. Vickie: How far away is your nearest  neighbor? 

Kathi: It’s about a 20 to 25 minute walk depending on who’s doing the walking. We’ve had to make really deliberate attempts to be able to be connected with people. 

Dr. Vickie: So many people do struggle with connection and loneliness, and they’re like, well it’s hard for me because, and it was hard for you because, but you found a way to overcome that, and a lot of it revolved around meals.

Kathi: We had the Caldor fire come through our county and we we only lost two acres and it didn’t touch our home But one of the reasons that our home was saved was because of the volunteer firefighters who live on both sides of us. All those firefighters are living together, sleeping together, eating together Well, this was at the height of the covid pandemic, and Paul got covid and was in the intensive care unit. It was really really bad. When he got out I’m like, “Could I bring you some soup?” and come to find out, If I didn’t bring him soup, he was going home to Lunchables. That’s what he eats. So I said, Oh, we can do better than that. So we’ve just started to bring him meals every week.  I’m used to cooking for six, Vickie, we were a blended family of six and you don’t lose those muscles really quickly when you’re cooking for a crowd. And so, we bring him meals. And just yesterday way we brought Nancy and Patrick meals because they’re going through  a health crisis. And we just show up with food and it takes one burden off of them and is a very, low and easy connection point for people. 

Dr. Vickie: And I think people associate soup with health. I asked my listeners on Facebook this week, what’s your comfort food? And so many people said soup. You’ve got chicken soup, but there’s so many other soups and, I got to feast on them when I was there and it just makes you feel warm inside and it’s a big pot that you share with people.

There’s so much about soup that just screams connection.

Kathi: It really does. And, you know, I found that the easiest way to reach out to somebody, a neighbor, a friend, a coworker is to just say this simple line, I made too much soup. Can I bring some over? And it’s such a low risk way of reaching out. And it’s also a low risk way of receiving Because I think we’re very hesitant to receive from strangers, or, even people we don’t know really well, because it’s like, what are they going to want from me? Are they gonna, you know, are they going to try to recruit me for their multilevel marketing system or their religion? And to just say, no, I just care about you.

And soup’s a really easy way of doing that.  

Dr. Vickie: Well us a little bit more about Sabbath soup.

Kathi: So, you know, Roger and I have really been on a journey. I think when you kind of pull away from some of the hustle, I mean, we, we’re from Silicon Valley, so hustle was built into what we were doing. And when you kind of pull away from that, you start to see, maybe I haven’t had some of the healthiest habit. As you know, I’ve been on  a  weight journey and a food journey, and those have been going really well. But a couple of things that I was not doing great at, rest and stress management. You can go live in the middle of the forest, like Roger and I do. is And if you’re not intentional about those things, they can continue to be not great for you. So we really got intentional on about Sabbath, about saying, “Hey there’s this day set aside for rest.” And, you can’t just say, “Oh, we’re resting on Sunday. Everything  stops.” People still want to eat. It’s very annoying. And so to spend a little bit of each day preparing since so that Sunday can be taken off.

And the reason it’s soup is because if you make a soup on Friday or Saturday, one, it’s the easiest thing in the world to reheat and two, soup tastes better. Then after a couple of days, it just does. So that’s why we got into the habit of having soup on Sundays.

Dr. Vickie: So  that’s your routine every Sunday.

Kathi: And here’s the beautiful thing for those of us who are overwhelmed. Vickie, If you say I’m having soup on Sunday, your decisions go from infinity to about 25. Most of us know of about 25 soups that we like and we could make. Soup is pretty simple to make and if you are overwhelmed by decision making just saying, okay, Sunday soup and then I add a salad, even if it’s a bag salad. I don’t care if your soup needs to come from Costco or the grocery store. Do what you need to do. There are a lot of busy people who are like, I can’t even think about cooking. If you just make the decision soup, the next time you go to the store, you pick up a couple of containers, you’re buying yourself some pre decision. Taking away some anxiety about what am I going to feed these people or myself? 

Dr. Vickie: That’s so good because you’ve mentioned so many pillars of lifestyle medicine, rest and stress management. And I mentioned that this is all part of social connectedness, but also nutrition. And I have to tell you what I did the other day, I did not want to go to the grocery store. I had been traveling a lot and came home and I didn’t have a lot of groceries and I literally went into the pantry and found what I could find in the pantry and in the freezer. And I threw it all in a big pot with some vegetable broth. And I made a bean and corn and fire roasted tomatoes. And I put my secret ingredient that my husband really loves and that’s just a little bit of cloves. Cloves and beans. That’s my secret. And he loved it and I took some leftovers to my mom.  so, you’re right, it goes, I mean who makes soup for two?

Kathi: You really don’t.  There are so many things I want to respond to there. One, wouldn’t we agree that for so many people in North America, one of the biggest stressors is finances  and soup is such a beautiful way of using up those odds and ends. Beans are so inexpensive and I’m going to try your cloves because I can taste that in my mouth right now. The beans and the cloves. That’s amazing. I love it. Because also I like some cinnamon with beans. I love soup because it’s very easy to make a big batch of, it’s so easy to share like you did with your mom, it’s so easy to freeze. love these things called super cubes, S O U P E R cubes. They are just silicone molds to freeze portions of soup. And we call that homesteader fast food where you can just pop out one of those cubes, that heat up in the microwave and you’ve got lunch. And, I think about it like this, every once in a while we like to go to fast food. We’re Americans. We like to do that. But for the 2 of us to go to fast food is 30 dollars, which is nice for a treat. But leftover soup is pretty much free. And so economically, nutritionally, and community wise. It works on all levels. 

Dr. Vickie: It really does. Beans in particular are so high in fiber, so high in protein, and they’re inexpensive. You can do them out of a can, and they’re almost just as healthy as they are any other way. You’ve gotta watch the sodium content. But also, you can do them in the Instant Pot, and you don’t have to soak them overnight and do all that

Kathi: They are very blue zone. They are very, very blue zone. 

Dr. Vickie: Yes, they are. Well, what’s your favorite soup recipe in the new book Sabbath Soup? Do you have one? Because I do.

Kathi: Okay, when I  want to be a little decadent, the tomato and gin soup, That’s  my favorite. Everybody loves it. What’s yours? 

Dr. Vickie: Same. It was so good, I love it. And like I said, that would be for a sort of a treat occasion, but I love tomato soup anyway. And that tomato soup recipe was delicious. 

Kathi: Okay, Vickie, the next time you need a treat and you want to double up on your treat, there’s no more classic combination of tomato soup and grilled cheese sandwiches, right? Which has nothing redeeming about it. Let’s just be super honest, except joy. And in the book, I have a recipe for Cuban sandwiches. That’s like a grilled cheese sandwich on steroids. It’s so, so, so good. So if you, if you want something kind of decadent, it’s a real crowd pleaser. 

Dr. Vickie: That’s awesome. And I love a pickle with my grilled cheese sandwich.

Kathi: That’s that’s what the Cuban sandwich is all about is the pickle.  

Dr. Vickie: Well, I want our listeners to know all about your book and where they can find you and the book because it is a gorgeous book and it is full of so many good recipes. 

Kathi: They really did a beautiful job on it. So if you go to SabbathSoup. com, we have a lot of little gifties there for you, some menu plans, some other bonuses you can do, but you can buy Sabbath Soup at Amazon and any place you love to buy books. You can buy it there. It’s available everywhere. 

Dr. Vickie I will put the link to your website and all of the links to that. so much. In the show notes, because I know people are going to want to check that out. But I, I love the, just the connection that’s involved with, with food and with soup in particular,

Kathi: You know, I always think about it this way, Vickie, I’ve never been fed without feeling love. I did an interview yesterday and they talked to us about how God created us with the need for food. God didn’t need to do that, but God is invested in our connection and our joy and that’s what food does. 

Dr. Vickie: That’s so true. And, and I think eating a meal without someone to share it with,  magnifies loneliness. I went through a season of singleness and I said, I ate a dinner for one at a table for 10. It just magnifies the fact that you’re alone. And my father passed away about three years ago. And so my mom’s had to eat her meals alone and it’s difficult for her to go to the table and do that. So that’s why I take her my leftovers, but how beautiful that just to show up at your neighbor’s door and say, Hey, I made too much soup. And would you like to have some? I love that.

Kathi: Yeah. And I love what you said there. Show up. Don’t ask, what can I do? Just say, Hey, I made you some soup. What time can I bring it over? That works for you? It’s such a different because nobody wants to put anybody else out. But when you say it’s already done, it brings, it brings a different level of connectedness.

Dr. Vickie: You’re absolutely right.  And even better, stay with them. I remember when I was sick and people would bring me meals and a lot of times it wasn’t anything I could eat. The prednisone made me diabetic and I had to be very, very careful what I ate and I’m sort of a health nut anyway, so I was careful about what I ate, but what I really wanted was for them to stay and visit. It’s not something that you drop off on the doorstep and ring the doorbell and run away. If you can stay and visit that, that’s the, that’s the decadent cream on top.

Kathi: Yeah, and I think asking. Roger went to visit our neighbors yesterday and there was a nurse there and it just wasn’t a great time. So, Roger said, I’m going to call you later to find out when a good time would be. You’re there to serve somebody’s needs. And that is the deep connection – seeing that need. And it’s such a gift to the receiver to let them know, even if now doesn’t work, later on will, and we’re going to be back. We’re in this for the long haul.

If you can just make a decision for one day a week in advance what you’re going to eat and one, make it a little special and two make it easy on yourself. It’s going to create a rhythm in your life that is going to be life giving. 

Dr. Vickie: My husband thrives on a rhythm like that. And so we do the same thing every Friday night and the same thing every Sunday night. It’s just relaxing to me because we don’t have to talk about it. We don’t have to decide anything. We don’t have to plan anything. We know what we’re doing. 

There are tons of recipes in this book. It’s a beautiful book just to even have sitting in your kitchen. So thank you so much for being here. 

Kathi: Vickie, it’s such an honor to see everything you’ve started with this podcast and now to be a guest, it just feels like such a full circle moment and I’m so proud of you and I love what you’re doing to serve your community. It’s, it’s just awe inspiring.

Dr. Vickie: Well, thank you so much. It was great having you.    

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Move for a Better Mood

Episode 142

Have you ever said to yourself, I’m so tired? And then you just want to sit on the couch and scroll through social media or watch your favorite series?  This is not rest. And it won’t fix your lack of energy. In fact, it will make it worse. Sitting zaps your energy and it’s a vicious cycle. You sit and do nothing rewind and repeat.  It’s time to change gears and shift out of neutral and get a boost of energy. And if you’re already on the movement train, stay tuned. I think you’ll enjoy the science. In fact, let’s start there. Today in mini medical school, we’re going to review the family of neurochemicals that are responsible for mood. And if you haven’t even been introduced to endorphins, dopamine and serotonin, you might want to listen to episode 141. How food affects mood. I’ll put a link in the show notes. These neuro-transmitters can improve mood and reduce feelings of stress and anxiety.

Also cortisol levels can be reduced by exercise, which creates feelings of relaxation and improved mood,  not to mention the effects on sleep, metabolism and weight.  Let’s start with some basics. There is a difference between physical activity and exercise.  Physical activity is anything that gets you moving and requires energy; things like cooking and cleaning the kitchen or housework of any kind yard work, even just going to the grocery store. That’s considered physical activity.  Exercise on the other hand is intentional activity for the purpose of physical fitness. This is things like running, classes at the gym, lifting weights, doing aerobics. These things are considered exercise.  Physical activity and exercise benefit both physical and mental health.

In addition to reducing symptoms of anxiety and depression, sleep patterns may be improved. And lack of sleep definitely affects mood. Who doesn’t have a more positive outlook after a restful night of sleep.  And speaking of sleep. If this is something you struggle with, you’re going to want to make sure you’re on my email list. Because we’re going to do a whole series on sleep very soon. Check the show notes for a link on how to sign up or just go to my website, www.healthylooksgreatonyou.com  

When you exercise, it opens up the blood vessels and improves blood flow to important organs, you know, like the brain. And that can help with mental clarity and overall brain health. You know, we used to think that adults could not grow new brain cells, but it turns out that’s wrong. So think of exercise as fertilizer for forming new blood vessels and they may be able to nurture new neural connections which can improve cognitive function. We call that process neurogenesis. And to me it’s pretty exciting. And if that’s not enough reason to get off the couch, there are some studies that suggest that regular exercise may at the very least delay dementia in people who are predisposed to it.  

Exercise also has a significant impact on health conditions like diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol and arthritis.  People who are active tend to have more self-esteem and confidence and listen, there is a difference between being fit and thin. But if weight is your concern, remember, 80% is related to diet, not exercise. It takes a lot of exercise to lose weight.  But you can also be very skinny and very physically unfit.  Now, before we dive into how physical activity and exercise can help lessen symptoms of anxiety and depression. I want to do a little dissection on the runner’s high.

And listen, I had never run enough to get a high, but I have experienced this sense of euphoria while pedaling my bicycle. And if you’ve never felt it, it’s unbelievable. And even if you’re not planning to lace up and train for a marathon, the biochemistry is pretty fascinating. Here’s what happens: you start running or exercising very intensely and you get your heart pumping and it works harder and harder to increase the heart rate to make sure your muscles and brain are getting enough oxygen. And speaking of oxygen, you’ll start huffing and puffing. But you keep going, pounding the pavement or the trail or whatever, and your body starts dumping endorphins into your bloodstream. 

And wow! There’s this burst of euphoria and burst of energy that makes you feel like you can conquer the world and keep going.  It doesn’t last long, and it’s actually pretty uncommon to experience. But it gives us a little inside look at what exercise can do naturally to cause feelings of elation.  But here’s the deal. You don’t have to train for an iron man to see benefits. Even moderate levels of exercise may improve mental health, lessening feelings of depression and anxiety. And the benefits of regular physical activity on mood are not temporary like the runner’s high.  When you think about someone who is physically fit, you picture someone with big ol’ well defined muscles.  But it’s not just the external that gets the benefit. People who exercise regularly have not only bigger muscles, but also a bigger hippocampus. The hippocampus is the part of the brain that processes memory and learning. So exercise can improve memory, and help focus, particularly on what we call the ability to switch tasks without chasing squirrels.  But let’s get back to mood specifically depression and anxiety. 

And before I take another step, I want to acknowledge that depression and anxiety are serious mental health disorders. And I am in no way, suggesting that a run around the block is going to fix it all. If you need help, please see your doctor or mental health care provider. There are lots of good medications and effective therapies. But there are also a lot of studies that look at the impact of exercise on mental wellbeing. 

And while it might not be a cure for significant anxiety and depression, there is no doubt it has a positive impact on mood.  Setting fitness goals or completing challenges can give you a sense of accomplishment and that helps you gain confidence.

And if you participate in group fitness, and I highly recommend that you do, you get an opportunity to have conversations and social interactions and meet new people. And that’s good for your mental health. Anything positive you do for your mind takes you in the right direction. Whereas negativity takes you the wrong way. For example, turning to alcohol or tobacco or junk food to cope is not going to help your symptoms and ultimately leads to worsening. However, doing something good for your body, like exercising will make you feel better and feel good about yourself.  And when you’re thinking about your feet, it’s kind of hard to think about your problems.

Exercise can stop the worry cycle that leads to less anxious thoughts and symptoms of depression. Right now, there’s a lot of research being done to understand the exercise connection with mental health. But we know that it can help move you forward, and especially help at keeping you in a good space in your head. So how much exercise do you need? Well, the general recommendation for all healthy adults is a minimum of 150 minutes of moderate aerobic exercise per week.  If you missed the episode on fitness, I’ll put a link in the show notes, but here’s one thing you need to know. Moderate exercise means, you can still talk, but you can’t sing.  I mean, I can’t sing anyway, but that’s not because I’m breathing hard. But, you know what I mean? 

Did you know that 20% of adults struggle with anxiety? And if you’re one of them, you’re going to want to listen to my interview with Dr. Michelle Bengston. She’s a clinical neuropsychologist and she wrote a book called, “Breaking Anxiety’s Grip.” It’s a great episode and I’ll put a link in the shownotes. 

Anxiety has a significant impact on your overall health.  And here’s the irony people with anxiety tend to be less active. So if you’re sitting on the couch feeling down and you’re in that vicious cycle. Where’s the exit?  If you’re using activity to improve your mood, you’re going to need to do it every single day. 

Add some activity in little increments like take the stairs instead of the elevator, park at the spot that’s fartherest from the store, not the closest one. And never drive to the mailbox. Even a little activity may help though. So can you find 10 or 15 minutes in your day to do some aerobic exercise? Because that’s best. Or maybe you can take a class or go for a walk or dance in the kitchen or skip down the street. 

Once when my son was about seven or eight years old, we had a series of unfortunate events in our family.  I’m not talking about little things I’m talking about big things. And we were pretty devastated.  I was trying to explain all of this to my little boy and he looked up at me and said, “Mom, can we skip?  And I said, what. And he said, can we skip? Because when you skip, you feel happy.

It was after dark. But we went outside, held hands and skipped right on down the street.  I’ve always wondered if any of the neighbors were watching, but you know what? It worked we skipped and we felt happy. Usually, you skip because you feel happy, but I think the reverse is true as well. So if you’re having a particularly bad day because of bad circumstances, and let me know if it works for you. 

But listen, the effects are cumulative. Once your mood improves, it’s easier to start doing things that improve your mood. And the opposite is true as well. So this really is a cycle. And to make sure you stick with it,  find something you enjoy doing. Maybe you want to set some smart goals, you remember smart goals, right? 

S. For specific, like I’m going to skip.  

M is for measurable. I’m going to skip to the neighbor’s house.

A is for accountable. Accountability makes a huge difference in achieving your goals. So I’m going to skip with my son. 

R is for Relevant. I’m going to skip so I don’t feel blue.

T is time bound. I’m going to skip every night. 

Now, we all have good intentions, but sometimes there are barriers to success. And it’s super helpful to identify those barriers so that you can overcome them. I have a course called seven day prescription for change. If you’re interested, there’s a link in the show notes. It’s kind of intense, but it’s only a week. There’s a downloadable workbook and videos that you can watch to help you meet your goals. 

But don’t think of exercise as a hard pill to swallow. There are enough things in life that you should do. Instead think of it as therapy. A tool to help you improve your mood.  Exercise distracts your mind from the worry cycle. It can decrease muscle tension, increase your heart rate and release those feel good neurotransmitters that improve mood. It actually changes the brain in ways that help us think more clearly and calm our emotions.  The effect is cumulative. 

The more exercise, the better.  But a single burst of activity can mitigate anxiety over a situation such as skipping. And here’s another thing that helps. Get out in nature. Studies have shown  that time in nature has a calming effect.

So. If you exercise outdoor, you get a double benefit.  Now depression is a serious condition and it affects over two and a half million people throughout the world. And I’m not suggesting that people with moderate or severe depression can sweat it off. But exercise does dampen the effect of stress and stress takes a serious toll on our body and our mind.

And the best exercise is one that you enjoy and that you’re going to stick with over the long haul, but mix it up so you don’t get bored.  

Aerobic exercise is best, but any physical activity helps. Remember physical activity is just movement, like getting out in the garden and getting your hands in the dirt that is very therapeutic for a lot of people. Or play pickle ball.  Goodness knows that’s gone viral recently. 

My stepson is getting married soon. And so my husband and I dance in the kitchen and I can promise you, we laugh.  Partly because our dancing skills are out of sync. 

But what if you feel worn out by your daily activities? Well exercise regularly and you’ll feel better physically and not be worn out by those daily activities. And then that makes you feel better physically, and that makes you feel better mentally. And then you want to exercise. See how this goes. It is definitely a cycle.  

And what about yoga?  Yoga is an ancient Chinese practice that focuses on holistic health,  meditation, exercises and physical postures.  Now, if you’re doing flow, you  might get your heart rate up, but most of the time you’re holding poses. And if you don’t focus, then you will not be able to balance. 

So when you change your focus, to maybe that spot on the floor so that you don’t fall over you’re not really thinking about all the stuff that’s making you anxious. So that’s how that works.   And when it comes to focus, you have a choice.  And it can become a habit to focus on your problems. That’s why scripture tells us, fix your eyes on Jesus. He is the author and perfecter of our faith. 

But if you feel stuck in your feelings, of anxiousness and  depressive symptoms. and I use the word depressive symptoms, because what I’m really talking about is just feeling down or feeling blue.

Then move out of that place.  It’s going to require some effort.  But are you ready to get moving? Because movement makes you feel more healthy and healthy looks great on you.  

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How Food Boost Mood

Episode 141

Food has a big impact on mood.  Why would that be? How does what you put in your mouth that goes down into your stomach affect all that’s going on in your brain? 

Mini medical school is going to be pretty intense today, so I thought I would turn the science into fiction.  No, I don’t mean the facts aren’t going to be true. I mean, fictional characters. To help you remember, you’re going to need to use your brain, but bring your imagination along too.

Carbohydrates are my dear friends. Well, some of them. You know, In every family, there are those people, you know how some people just make you feel good and others, not so much.

Dorothy is a donut.  We parted ways several years ago, but one day I walked into a meeting and there she was and before, you know, it, I ate the whole thing.  And it didn’t take long that I felt physically and emotionally drained.  But here’s the deal, that period of absence highlighted the contrast of how I feel when I eat good stuff versus pure junk. And maybe you’ve noticed, or maybe you  haven’t and maybe you just feel kind of bad all the time and you don’t really know why. So let’s talk about how certain foods affect mood and why. 

 Food affects mood by altering brain chemistry and hormone levels. Carbohydrates can  give you a real boost. But, their cousins can really bring you down. So let’s talk about the good side of the family first. Food rich in carbohydrates boost serotonin levels.

 The ol’ feel good neurotransmitter serotonin. We’re going to call her Sarah for short. Sarah Tonin affects mood sleep and appetite. She is an intriguing member of the neurotransmitter family who has  a significant impact, both on mental as well as physical health. Sarah is a happy girl because she regulates mood and makes you feel happy and have an overall sense of wellbeing. 

And she’s the one you’ll really miss when she’s not around. You may feel depressed or anxious. And Sarah’s family is a power family. In fact, Mel is another member of the tonin family, Did you know that Sarah tonin is a precursor to melatonin? So think of Sarah as Mel’s mother and you need both of them to get a good night’s sleep, Mel is related by marriage to the hormone family and his presence is highly influenced by light exposure. He regulates the sleep wake cycle. He squirts out of the pineal gland. 

Mel gets up every evening and tells your body it’s night, night time. He stays up most of the night and then he drops off in the morning.  At least that’s how it’s supposed to work. He keeps the bodies internal clock in sync making sure the circadian rhythm aligns with the sleep-wake cycle. And he serves on the antioxidant team as well, combating free radicals and reducing oxidative stress in the body.  To boost melatonin, you can eat things like tart cherries, grapes, nuts.  It’s also important to have good sleep hygiene. 

Let’s get back to Serotonin. Do you know where Sarah lives?  Did you say the brain? Well, I hate to tell you, but 90% of the body’s serotonin  is actually found in the gut, not the  brain. That may surprise you, but think about that gut brain connection.  That’s why upset emotions cause an upset tummy. 

And since her address is in the GI tract, she affects appetite and digestion all the way to the end of the street.  I’m talking about bowel movements. See, now you’ll remember all of this science of the neurotransmitters, Sarah Tonin. Speaking of learning and memory, Sarah affects those cognitive functions as well.

You know, Sarah is the type who can be all work and no play. Because high levels of serotonin can actually reduce sex drive. And that’s why some antidepressants which are called serotonin re-uptake inhibitors can kill your sex drive. It’s a balancing act for sure because you need Sarah to have a good sense of wellbeing, but too much can cause intimacy to take a back seat.  Diet can boost our sense of wellbeing by increasing serotonin levels, particularly foods rich in tryptophan. 

Sarah tends to run away when they’re stress or negative thinking, and that can be a vicious cycle.  Positive thinking and stress management, increase serotonin levels.

Now I’d like to introduce you to another member of the neuro-transmitter family. He is the most likable guy you ever wanted to meet. Dopamine is considered to be the reward neurotransmitter that makes you feel pleasure and motivation and helps with learning too. He’s a standup guy. But we still have to nickname him dope. You see, he has a big role in addiction. 

And when I say he motivates, I mean, he really motivates. It’s even if it’s for another hit of whatever lights you up. Since dopamine is associated with pleasure, it contributes to addictive behaviors. That can be a substance or an activity that is pleasurable. But it drives you to find that pleasure again and again, and that can lead to impulsivity to find more dope at all costs regardless of the consequences. When you participate in the fun and games, whether that’s eating, exercising, hanging out with those you love, Dope is there. He pushes us to take action and pursue goals so we can feel that reward. That can drive us to work harder or it can distort and cause us to go into an endless pursuit. 

Again, it’s a delicate balance. Dope keeps us focused, helps us pay attention. So we learn better and become more productive. He’s like a coach. And without dopamine you’ll feel depressed and anxious. He’s good to have around. Exercise can boost levels as well as sleep. And food can boost production. It’s like a well coordinated family picnic.

And if you think dopamine makes you high, I’d like to introduce you to another member of the neuro-transmitter family. Endorphins, let’s call her Endera. She comes around every single time there is stress or discomfort and tries to knock out your pain. It’s like she wants to be the fixer in the family. She’ll pump you up, make you feel great. She’ll even give you a feeling of euphoria when you exercise intensely. You’ve probably heard of a runner’s high even if you’ve never experienced it. But she also makes you relaxed to fix all that stress and anxiety. She also boost your immune system. So, where is this lovely lady and where can we find her. Like it or not exercise, the more intense, the better. 

Not ready to start running? Well, there’s another great way to bring Endera to the party and I’m talking about a good old belly laugh to crank out endorphins. You see, laughter really is the best medicine and Endera loves her some dark chocolate too, as well as spicy foods that contain capsaicin like chili peppers.  She’ll rush to your side if you get acupuncture because there’s a needle involved and she wants to fix your pain. And even if you’re averse to such things, just turn on your favorite playlist, Endera loves whatever music you love and  that’s why those tunes bump up your endorphin levels and help with mood. Endera the fixer releases endorphins to make you feel good, stay resilient in the face of challenge.

The last member of the neurotransmitter family I’d like to introduce you to is oxytocin. Oxytocin is the love hormone. We’ll just call her O for short, she wants us to stay emotionally connected and she’s a hormone too. She’s the glue of the family. She helps form strong bonds, both between parents and children, friends and lovers. The foundation of any relationship is trust. O brings out feelings of trust and empathy, which is important for social interaction to be more positive and rewarding. She calms us down and reduces anxiety and stress. O plays a critical role in childbirth too. She stimulates the uterus to contract and promote the release of breast milk.. She’s a lover, not a fighter. She likes touch any touch -hugging, holding hands, shaking hands, even a high five. All of those things release oxytocin. And this is going to make all the pooches happy, but petting your dog actually releases oxytocin.

You can boost O levels, by enjoying time with the people you love and having conversations that bring you closer together. Also do something for someone else and you both get a reward. Because doing acts of kindness, stimulates release of oxytocin. Stress tries to steal the joy that O brings. So learn relaxation and stress management techniques to keep her around. 

Now that I’ve introduced you to some of the members of the hormone family. Let’s meet the others. First is cortisol. Good old Cort. He gets a bad rap because you’ll find him wherever there is stress. He’s got a lot of responsibility on his shoulders. He lives in the adrenal glands and he shows up in an instant when he thinks there’s any kind of danger. He is the force behind the flight or fight response. He’s in charge of controlling your body’s metabolism and how fats and proteins and carbohydrates are used. His job also includes regulating the immune system and combating inflammation in the body. He knows how important blood flow is, so he’s super involved in regulating blood pressure and cardiovascular function, so we have the power to run or fight. We need him to survive, especially in stressful situations, but he can be a bit much. Chronic stress leads to persistently high levels of cortisol. Too much of Cort is not a good thing and it’s terrible for your physical health, contributing to heart disease, unwanted weight gain, GI problems, anxiety, and depression. He can wake you up all night long and make you sick by lowering  your body’s ability to fight off infection. He is a great guy and we need him, but a little goes a long way. You can get him to chill out by exercising and making sure you have good quality sleep. Managing him isn’t easy, but intentional relaxation and combating stress settles him down. And if you eat a balanced diet of whole foods, fruits, vegetables, and whole grains that keeps him from getting out of control too.  And O can help.

So make sure you’re tending to your social life and bonds with loved ones and O would  also like for you to meet another member of the sex hormone family. Estrogen.  We can call her Esther. I’m pretty sure you’ve met her before. And you know how much of an effect she can have on mood as well as energy levels and cognitive function. And when she gets on a roll, it can cause fluctuations in emotions as well as wellbeing. Her main role is to influence the development of a woman’s body during adolescence, then she controls the menstrual cycle during the reproductive years, and then she jumps off a cliff during menopause, but that’s one of those family stories we’ll talk about on another day. Esther can  be moody. I’m talking PMS, peri menopause. And all the things, female, but she’s a protector maintaining bone density and healthy cholesterol levels and supporting cardiovascular health. And she has a twin sister, but they aren’t identical. Her name is progesterone. And we’re going to call her Polly progesterone. She regulates periods and maintains pregnancy. And that’s a lot of Ps.

She also helps balance moody Esther by calming her down and trying to control her mood swings. She promotes better sleep and is just naturally sedating. We like her a lot because she helps maintain skin elasticity.  Now to balance these two wild sisters eat a balanced diet rich in nutrients. Foods high in omega three fatty acids control their behavior especially well, think flax seeds, chia, seeds, and walnuts. And you can add those to oatmeal and smoothies. Exercise. Is another good way to reign them in. And even if they smell stress, they’ll go crazy and drive you there too. And of course don’t skimp on good sleep because they throw everything out of balance and they’ll eat you alive without good sleep. 

The twins have a brother too, his name is testosterone. We’re going to call him Rone. You probably think of Rone as being a male hormone. And while it’s true that he turns boys into men, he is also found in women, it’s just in smaller amounts. Rone can increase energy, motivation and overall mood. He’s buff, and supports muscle mass and strength and bone density. He can be a lover and a fighter.  It’s important in libido for both men and women.  

And the last baby in the hormone family is insulin.   We’ll call her Sully. She regulates blood sugar, brain function and mood. And she’s tried for years to get along with Dorothy. You remember sweet, sweet, Dorothy.  She makes you crash and leaves you feeling sluggish and irritable.  And Sully is really just a peacemaker, always trying to control blood sugar and make sure it gets into the cells for energy. If Sully doesn’t work properly then the body doesn’t move sugar out of the bloodstream the way it’s supposed to, and then we develop diabetes.  Sweet Dorothy and all of her sugary friends can sneak up on you and ruin your day. But here’s the deal. If you consume sugar regularly, you  might not even realize that sugar and other simple carbohydrates. are what’s causing that quick sugar spike. 

You eat your biscuit  and jelly and it goes up and then you get a sharp drop, then a crash and this rollercoaster of emotions can cause mood swings, irritability and fatigue. We talked about hangry last week.  Not only that, but a high sugar intake can cause increased inflammation in the body and that’s been linked to mood disorders such as depression and anxiety. So we can all agree that chronic inflammation is not good for your brain.  Think about some antioxidant rich foods like berries, all kinds of berries, blueberries, strawberries, raspberries and blackberries. And remember good old dark chocolate. It’s gotta be at least 70% cocoa to maintain the antioxidant content. 

And then those nuts, like walnuts, pecans, and almonds. As well as spinach and other dark. Leafy green vegetables like kale and Swiss chard, and lots of beans and artichokes for their antioxidant properties. 

These are feel good foods. Unlike Dorothy. Dorothy sugar gives you a hit of dopamine. Well don’t we like that. Yeah, but like everything else, the pleasure is temporary followed by dip, then cravings. And this is why sugar is such a vicious cycle and can be as addictive as any drug. These types of foods aren’t good for you. 

And they’re often nutrient poor. And replacing in your diet, what could be nutrient dense foods. The standard American diet includes a lot  of sugar. And sugar before bed can affect sugar plums dancing in your head because sleep quality is affected in a negative way by sugar too. And that certainly contributes to mood disorders, including anxiety  and depression. But let’s get back to insulin.  Natural ways to increase insulin are a balanced diet with low-glycemic index think fruit. And regular physical activity. improves insulin sensitivity and helps maintain a healthy weight.

Foods high in antioxidants include foods that have omega-3 fatty acids because they combat that inflammation. That’s linked to mood disorders like depression. So are leafy greens, fatty fish, nuts, seeds, berries, dark chocolate, whole grains, legumes and bananas. They’re all rich in vitamins and tryptophan, which is a precursor to serotonin. 

Remember the feel good neurotransmitter serotonin.  It’s also found in avocados, which contain healthy fats and vitamin B6, which can improve mood and brain function. 

If you didn’t get a chance to listen to last week’s podcast.,I talked about the gut brain connection. You see. What you put in your tummy affects what happens in your head, and what happens in your head affects your mood. 

So eat good food to have a good mood and. And be happy and be healthy because healthy looks great on.     

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There is scientific evidence that food affects mood. You probably know how it feels to be hangry. That combination of hunger and anger can drive you to head to the pantry and grab whatever you can get your hands on. But that sets a process in motion that only makes you feel worse. Instead, replace unhealthy snacks with foods that boost your mood and get double the benefit. 

The health of your gut microbiome influences your mental health. All those bacteria that live in your gut produce neurotransmitters that affect brain health and chemistry. Make sure and eat high fiber foods to promote a healthy gut.

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Throughout the day look for ways to add beans to your food. They’re high in fiber and keep that gut healthy, which helps keep your mind healthy too.

Also add walnuts, they’re great for brain function. Trail mix is a great way to get all these good things together. And the good news is that dark chocolate is full of mood boosters. It’s also calorie dense, so a small amount. Make sure it’s at least 70% cocoa. 

Avoid alcohol, too much caffeine and fried foods. That only makes you feel worse. Instead, plan ahead and keep the pantry stocked with feel good food. 

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Special guest Barb Roose is the author of “Stronger Than Stress: 10 Spiritual Practices to Win the Battle of Overwhelm.” She’s also a speaker,  literary agent, and Bible teacher. According to her website, “She is a real woman who’s experienced deep anxiety, parenting challenges, family addiction trauma, and long seasons of walking by faith in unanswered prayer.”

Lifestyle medicine has six pillars: restorative sleep, nutritional eating, physical fitness, minimizing harmful substances and social connectedness. But when we talk about stress, it affects all of them. It’s an overarching theme to health. 

Barb:  We know that stress is out there and we talk about it openly. “Oh, I’m so stressed.” Like if you talk with people, stress is going to naturally come up. And so there’s this social acceptedness that there is stress. The reason why I wrote the book and the reason why I want to engage in these conversations is because you and  I are aware of the damage.  And so it’s a situation, particularly as women, we just live with stress. And so it is trying to elevate the hidden damage of chronic stress and to convince women not to set themselves on fire to keep everybody else warm.  

The challenge is these days, as women, we want to protect what we love. We want to fix what’s broken. We want to get things on track. I call it the good Christian woman syndrome. We will sacrifice ourselves trying to be everything to everybody.   

We keep little people alive or a spouse.   We found keys every day so that a spouse could get to work.  In some ways, there was a season where so much relied upon us, but there are those practical moments where we have to remember that there is a God. And it’s not us.   

Dr. Vickie: That is so , absolutely true. There is a God and it’s not us. And I think that’s the thing. When we take on all that responsibility, we learn to depend on ourselves  and then we think we don’t need God until our whole lives start unraveling.

Barb: I use spinning spinning plates as a metaphor for  all of the things that we have happening in our lives. And I recognize the reality that there are some of you listening and you’ve  got spinning plates. The big picture of the book. is helping us recognize that God can actually take care of us and our spinning plates so that we can take care of ourselves.  

Dr. Vickie: Practically speaking, how does that play out?  

Well, my favorite chapter title of the book is, “Get Off the Cross, Honey. Somebody needs the wood.” Sometimes we can’t just convince people that they need to change.    They have to feel their need for change.   And what I want to do is create that feel for the need of change by using Jesus’ words in Matthew. And so in this chapter, I cover Jesus’ words and he says, “Come to me, everyone who is weary and heavy burdened.” And, I think that pretty much everyone listening is going to say, yep. I am  weary and heavy burdened. In the original language,  weary was all about feeling like everything was on you. That self-sufficiency, that’s what the weariness is that Jesus was talking about, and then carrying heavy burdens. That is about all of the expectations, all of the duties, all of the to-dos and the do mores. And so if you are exhausted by all of that, overwhelmed, Jesus doesn’t tell you, you’ve got to read your Bible  five days a week. He doesn’t say you’ve got to pray for 45 minutes a day. He says, “Come.” It’s an invitation. And what he wants to give us is rest. He wants to care. The work has to be done, but He wants to teach us how to live in him. So that we let Jesus carry the weight as we do the work of our lives.  

When I think about that verse, like the word picture, Jesus goes on to say, take my yoke upon you. And yoke always felt like this really antiquated word, but yoke still exists. And most of us know that a  yoke is where they have one animal that is  basically harnessed to another animal and the visualization is that there is a more experienced animal that helps teach the younger animal the way to go.

Now, Vickie, I don’t know about you, but when I am left to my own  devices and I’m trying to live apart from God,   I am going to wander. I’m going to stomp on things that I shouldn’t stomp on. I’m going to go too fast. I’m going to reckon the things. And so when Jesus says. Take my yoke upon you.  what Jesus essentially is saying, let me put  my arm around you, around  your shoulder, because essentially stress has us in a choke hold.

It is a choke hold that is strangling us. We are often, Vickie, sometimes we try to run ahead of what God is doing in our lives. Can I get an amen?  

And so Jesus, he’s putting his arm around us and I find it very interesting that on a shirt, the shoulder area of the shirt in construction is called a yoke.

And so Jesus is putting his arm around our yoke and he’s saying, learn from me. Let me teach you. He’s saying, let me teach you the right pace to live. Let me teach you the path  to follow. Let me guide you so  that you’re not trying to run ahead and figure things out on your own.  so Jesus, who has the experience, who is our peace, is teaching us the pace so that we don’t live stressed every day.  

I love that picture of pace because I want to be productive. I want to do things. I want people to be able to depend on me. I want to fulfill my purpose. And it’s just as bad for our health for us to live without intentionality and without purpose. And so the point is not just to say, Jesus, take the wheel. I’m just going to sit back and do nothing. It’s let’s walk this out together.  

We have these things that God has called us to do. We, and women, if you’re, or whoever’s listening, men and women, we  should have purpose. We should have kingdom  oriented goals. We should have people we’re investing with. Even if you’re retired.

I heard this years ago. This amazing story of a man. He was a neurosurgeon and he developed a spinal condition and after like a dozen surgeries, he was medically disabled.  That  man ran Bible study groups, on Zoom people around the world from his hospital bed in his home. So he still had work that he had to do.  We all  have work no matter where we’re at.  

But what Jesus wants to make sure of is that our work is not wrecking us, that we are not running in chaos from sun up till sun down. He wants us to experience his peace.  And the peace is only found in him.  

Dr. Vickie: So true, and peace is really lacking. I feel like so many of us live on a merry go round. And sometimes we’re busy without actually accomplishing anything that is of eternal value.  

Barb: Well, yeah, because the urgent over the important. We’re just playing whack a mole every day, trying to do the to do list. And again, we’re doing it with the best of intentions. But part of why I wanted to write this book on spiritual practices, because  these are the practices that Jesus wants to teach  us so that our days have meaning and value. Because the last thing we want to do is get to whenever the end of our lives are, and us wonder if we made a difference. The way of Jesus is the way to help us make a difference.   

Dr. Vickie: Resting in Him, peace in His methods, and a plan and a purpose  for our lives. It’s all built on trust. I think so many times we think, but this is the way I want my life to go. So I’m pushing, pushing, pushing. When God’s saying, come to me, slow down. That’s, that’s not my plan and purpose for you. And we just, we have to rest in that. We really do. And rest has always been a four letter word for me.  

Barb: There is a spiritual practice. that incorporates rest. But if I can share a personal example, I recently had some blood work done. I’m a woman of a certain age now. I had gone into the  doctor to have blood work done so that I  could start hormone replacement therapy. And so she wanted me to have an extra panel done because she wanted to make sure I had all the options available. This was about a month ago. I go in, I get the blood work done and I, it’s the day before my book party celebration.   So I have four interns who are in town, who’ve flown in, and I’m hosting a retreat for them. It was all planned out. No stress. I had my book launch party at my church that next day, all planned out, interns, no, no stress.  That morning when I woke up the day of the party at 7. 30am, the  first message I had was from my mother, who lives two  hours away, who’s my emergency contact and said, the hospital lab has an emergency phone, they need you to call them. And Vickie, your listeners won’t appreciate this, but you will. It was an emergency because my hemoglobin was only 5.6.

Dr. Vickie: You were running on empty. 

Barb: So here’s the thing, no symptoms.  So at 8 a. m. that morning, I get this phone call that says, You are dangerously anemic. And what are you going to do about it? And I was like, well, okay,  the day goes on and there were things that just kept popping up. One of my kids had a sick dog. Another kid was throwing up in the bathroom. I had signs that weren’t delivered. I had an ex boyfriend  that I hadn’t seen in three years surprise  show up to the book launch party!  And so I share all of this because there are going to be unexpected things that happen.

But what I have learned over the years of the spiritual practices  is what it looks like to keep Jesus’ peace at the forefront of my mind. Now, did I feel Some pressure because I was like that’s a lot to happen to somebody in one day . And  that’s not everything that happened But I learned through the spiritual practices One of the cornerstones in the book is surrender. Most of our stress as women is because we are trying to stay in control of everything .

The title of the chapter is the Surrender Prayer and it’s “God, I can’t. But you can,  and I will let you.” And so I had to really focus on that surrender prayer. And then there’s another practice of gratitude. It’s in the celebration chapter. I want to keep a spirit of gratitude.

I’m not ignoring  everything that’s happening. I hadn’t had a symptom. I had been sleeping fine, working out full energy, all of this. And I was like, Lord, I  have no idea what’s happening here. My body is not doing great, but God, I feel great. And so I practiced gratitude. And so throughout the day, I was incorporating those spiritual simplicity when my day got chaotic. I was like, okay, Barb, let’s stay  focused. You can’t do everything, but if you can  only do one thing, what can that do? And so these practices help us to stay focused on what the most important things are, but we have to learn how to use them consistently over time.   

Dr. Vickie: I would say in advance of a stressful moment, you obviously had some practice using those tools when all of that came at you. And I used to have women all the time that would come to me during their pregnancy and they’re like, oh, I don’t want an epidural. I don’t want an epidural and I was like, then you need to go to the classes.

You need to practice the breathing techniques when you’re not in pain because all that stuff goes out the window the first time that contraction hits and it’s the same thing with our spiritual walk.  You knew, okay, this is what I do. I surrender. I always say the place of perfect peace is the place of perfect surrender and you said that prayer But what I pray is whatever Lord just whatever. You also posted this morning on Facebook  the verse from Isaiah 41:10. It’s one of my favorite verses and the reason is that when I got really really sick  I kept seeing that verse everywhere, but it was out of the message translation and it says in message translation, “Don’t panic!” Our natural response to a stressful event is panic, because like you said, we’re not in control.  

Barb: When I was a pharmaceutical sales rep, one of the drugs that I sold was a very popular antidepressant. And I remember how valuable it was for me to just understand our body’s response to stress. And so I cover that at the beginning of the book,  but I keep it at a very high level, but it is  helpful for me to remember that in my natural state, my body will react to what my brain perceives as threatening. And the way of Jesus,  when Jesus becomes our peace and our perfect peace, we feel less threatened by the world around us. And when we feel less threatened, our body is not going to react into  fight or flight as often. And for me, that  was really helpful to keep in mind, because there are going to be, and hear me, there are going to be situations in life when we should be stressed. If the doctor calls and says that your kid has type 1 diabetes, you’re going to be stressed. And so stress was actually created by God as a protective indicator to tell us that we’re reacting  a certain way to our environment. But chronic   stress, when you’re stressed all of the time, afraid all the time, anxious all the time, irritable all the time, That’s a spiritual issue, because you have what I take from 2 Timothy 1:7, the spirit of fear. When everything is making you anxious and afraid, that is something that Jesus wants you to address. Does that make sense?  

Dr. Vickie: It makes perfect sense to me, and I love the way that fits into lifestyle medicine because we have all of the neurochemicals  that get released. We that fear area of our brain, like the amygdala and all of the neuronal synapses that can actually get wired or rewired because when you’re worried and you’re anxious, you literally create a neural  pathway that’s like a rut in your brain. You just  keep going down that same rut. And so you have to do something to shift that. And we talk about stress management in lifestyle medicine, but there’s no magic wand to make it go away. And even Jesus doesn’t just make it go away. You have to have these spiritual practices to come to Him.  

Barb: Right. And I love that you talked about the neuropathways and neuroplasticity. And so I want to share a story. I was in the eighth grade.

Vickie and I have met, actually Vickie and I have a picture  of us standing together because I am  overly tall, which meant that when I was a kid, they immediately said this girl should play basketball. So I was in the seventh grade. I went out for the basketball team. Partly because I wanted to play basketball, but also because that’s where all the popular girls were at on that team. And I wanted to be popular. So at basketball tryouts, I could run really fast, but, I wasn’t that good of a dribbler and   I couldn’t shoot all that well. So I didn’t make the team. And I’m devastated. Well, the seventh grade coach, her name is Miss Bednarik, still remember her name. She said, Barb, you actually need to be stronger. She said, you’re dribbling skills, you just don’t have good muscle coordination or shooting. It’s  because you need strength. And so she told me when the kids would go to the weight room. And so Vickie that following Tuesday, I showed up at the weight room at my junior high.  I was the only girl in this weight room filled with stinky, sweaty junior high boys. And, this is the eighties folks. We didn’t have great  ventilation. We did not have windows. It was basically boys after school and their Old Spice had worn off by lunchtime.   And have there I was, and I had a choice that that I had to make that day. Was I going to keep showing up? And so I started learning how to lift weights.  As this only girl in these pot bottomed glasses, two giant front teeth, And I am oversized  and I’m there with the scrawny boys and every Tuesday and Thursday. I kept showing up and I had to learn how to lift the weights. And then I would struggle and they would help.

And that is practicing. We’re not going to be good at it at first, but what makes it matter, is that  we keep showing  up.

If you just have one minute to read your Bible then read for one minute. The practice isn’t valid just because you sit there for 20 minutes.  Just do it for 1 minute. If you can pray for one minute,  pray that one minute as often as you can.  God can do something with that.  Other practices are Sabbath.  Maybe you can’t get to taking a whole day but can you take just 2 hours to just sit and  rest? Absolutely. But the most important value of practicing is to keep showing up. And so I kept showing up all that seventh grade year, and I got stronger. And I made the eighth grade basketball team. But more importantly, Vickie, I’ve been lifting  weights since that girl was in the seventh  grade. And now that I am over 50,  part of what the doctor’s office told me when they called me last month,  they just said, it appears that the rest of your overall health is so strong. That’s why your body has been covering for you this whole time. 

Dr. Vickie: Now I can smell that junior high locker room.  That is such a powerful memory. I can smell it from here.   

Barb: I can still smell it. And it’s been 40 years. Whew! It was rough.

Dr. Vickie: I think about the spiritual disciplines, you call them spiritual practices, but  practice always, always, always requires discipline. So I am super excited about your book and I would love for you to tell up our listeners where they can find you, where they can order your book.

And I’m going to look and see if I can find that picture because I’m standing on the hearth, and you’re standing on the floor, and you’re still taller than me, and that’s not saying much because I’m not very tall. 

 Barb: We made quite a sight together. My friends, I have to say, we looked as cute as cute could be, but definitely, one of us is, is, is super  action packed. That’s me saying that you’re short: Action packed. And then one of us is just real, real tall.

There is actually a Bible study that goes with the “Stronger than Stress” book,  I am primarily a Bible study author. So for those  of you who do love Bible study, there is  a six week Bible study with video that you can access. Both book and Bible study are available anywhere you love  to purchase your books and Bible studies. 

You can do them separately, what I recommend is that you get either a book club with some friends, or a Bible study group with some girlfriends so that you can all talk and journey together.   

Dr. Vickie: Yes, there’s so much power in together.  

Barb: There is, there is. And, if women want more information or maybe they just want to check things out, uh, you can check over to barbroose. com. I have a link there where you can check out the book and the Bible study group.   And on top of that, you can actually watch the  first video session, so that you can decide whether you want to share that with some friends and say, Hey, do we want to get a group together and talk about how we can live less stressed with more peace every day?   

Dr. Vickie: That is so awesome. Well, I appreciate you coming and talking to us about stress management. And I think it just fits perfectly with lifestyle medicine. I always say that that’s one that you just absolutely cannot do without Jesus.   

Barb: Amen. I love that wisdom. Love it.

 Dr. Vickie: Wow, what words of wisdom from someone who has such a passion for following Christ. And I hope that that will make you want to dive into God’s Word a little bit more. And if the Bible is unfamiliar to you, take a peek for yourself, because there is a peace that passes understanding, and there is a rest that is possible through Jesus Christ.

And I would challenge you to check it out for yourself and see. But Barb really didn’t tell  you all there is to know about herself. Go to her website.   You’re going to want to know more about her. It’s barbroose. com. I’ll put a link in the show notes. 

 This is an edited transcript of this episode. 

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